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Old 02-27-2017, 02:40 PM   #1
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Anyone heard anything since Simmonds and Burris were hired?
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One has left is what i heard
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Greg Peterson has disappeared from everything associated with UNI. Guess we still need a receivers coach...
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So what have you heard beyond this? Would love any concrete info you could give
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See above. That is it
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Before anyone gets too negative, this happens. I'm not certain how often in the coaching, but it it's not uncommon in the corporate world. You accept something, but play out others for better opportunity or offers. The better one comes, you bolt. Nothing wrong with that.
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Usually, the only time the entire coaching staff is replaced in off season is when the HC receives the "full support of the AD", if you know what I mean. If you need clarification, UNIDad can translate.

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Heard today the offense Cordinator quit....

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We don't have an OC that could have quit.

Salmon retired and Mahaffey left for WKU about 2 or 3 months ago
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One of the new guys they hired quit and he was going to be the OC

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They're quitting before they're even hired?
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They hired two new coached but never listed positions. Maybe one of them quit.
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Does anyone still have faith in Farley leading us to a natty or is he over the hill?
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Does anyone still have faith in Farley leading us to a natty or is he over the hill?
I have more faith in coach Don Eursha
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The absolute worst thing about basketbll being over is that it diverts our full attention to this disaster. Its March 7th, and we have, what, 3 total coaches?
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The absolute worst thing about basketbll being over is that it diverts our full attention to this disaster. Its March 7th, and we have, what, 3 total coaches?
No, it's fine. It's normal to lose all your coaches and not replace them.
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Player-coaches, save on the budget.

Kind of surprised the Illinois schools weren't forced to do this by their state leg two years ago.
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Player-coaches, save on the budget.

Kind of surprised the Illinois schools weren't forced to do this by their state leg two years ago.
It wouldn't be a shocking development. Don't bother playing any of the Illinois State Lottery games. They're not paying any of the winners, and haven't for a few months. Seriously.

Illinois' budget issues have to have a trickle down effect on the FCS level state schools. Nothing yet to my knowledge, but it's bound to be a matter of time.
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This is pretty much a good indicator of our place in the world:

"Quarterbacks coach Ken O?Keefe, who spent 13 years as Iowa?s offensive coordinator under Ferentz, signed a three-year deal that pays him $540,000 per year. Offensive line coach Tim Polasek was hired at $325,000 and wide receivers coach Kelton Copeland will make $225,000. Both have one-year deals." Marc Morehouse, The Gazette, Mar 7, 2017 at 9:13 pm


I believe Polasek was NDSU's offensive coordinator and was making in the area of $150,000 with the Bison.

Bill Salmon for all his years on the staff was a little over $90,000.

For all the criticizing about our ability to attract and keep coaches in my mind it all comes back to money. Some schools have it we don't.
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[QUOTE=northwest iowa panther;456066]This is pretty much a good indicator of our place in the world:

"Quarterbacks coach Ken O?Keefe, who spent 13 years as Iowa?s offensive coordinator under Ferentz, signed a three-year deal that pays him $540,000 per year. Offensive line coach Tim Polasek was hired at $325,000 and wide receivers coach Kelton Copeland will make $225,000. Both have one-year deals." Marc Morehouse, The Gazette, Mar 7, 2017 at 9:13 pm


I believe Polasek was NDSU's offensive coordinator and was making in the area of $150,000 with the Bison.

Bill Salmon for all his years on the staff was a little over $90,000.

For all the criticizing about our ability to attract and keep coaches in my mind it all comes back to money. Some schools have it we don't.[/QUOTE

Sad thing is, I'm pretty sure Salmon took a pay cut so some of the other coaches got paid more.
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This is pretty much a good indicator of our place in the world:

"Quarterbacks coach Ken O?Keefe, who spent 13 years as Iowa?s offensive coordinator under Ferentz, signed a three-year deal that pays him $540,000 per year. Offensive line coach Tim Polasek was hired at $325,000 and wide receivers coach Kelton Copeland will make $225,000. Both have one-year deals." Marc Morehouse, The Gazette, Mar 7, 2017 at 9:13 pm


I believe Polasek was NDSU's offensive coordinator and was making in the area of $150,000 with the Bison.

Bill Salmon for all his years on the staff was a little over $90,000.

For all the criticizing about our ability to attract and keep coaches in my mind it all comes back to money. Some schools have it we don't.[/QUOTE

Sad thing is, I'm pretty sure Salmon took a pay cut so some of the other coaches got paid more.
Well...He went from OC to RB coach when Joe Davis was hired...So he likely took a pay cut when he took a smaller job.
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This is pretty much a good indicator of our place in the world:

"Quarterbacks coach Ken O?Keefe, who spent 13 years as Iowa?s offensive coordinator under Ferentz, signed a three-year deal that pays him $540,000 per year. Offensive line coach Tim Polasek was hired at $325,000 and wide receivers coach Kelton Copeland will make $225,000. Both have one-year deals." Marc Morehouse, The Gazette, Mar 7, 2017 at 9:13 pm


I believe Polasek was NDSU's offensive coordinator and was making in the area of $150,000 with the Bison.

Bill Salmon for all his years on the staff was a little over $90,000.

For all the criticizing about our ability to attract and keep coaches in my mind it all comes back to money. Some schools have it we don't.[/QUOTE

Sad thing is, I'm pretty sure Salmon took a pay cut so some of the other coaches got paid more.
Yeah I think we're very competitive with Farley's salary but not on the assistants.
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This is pretty much a good indicator of our place in the world:

"Quarterbacks coach Ken O?Keefe, who spent 13 years as Iowa?s offensive coordinator under Ferentz, signed a three-year deal that pays him $540,000 per year. Offensive line coach Tim Polasek was hired at $325,000 and wide receivers coach Kelton Copeland will make $225,000. Both have one-year deals." Marc Morehouse, The Gazette, Mar 7, 2017 at 9:13 pm


I believe Polasek was NDSU's offensive coordinator and was making in the area of $150,000 with the Bison.

Bill Salmon for all his years on the staff was a little over $90,000.

For all the criticizing about our ability to attract and keep coaches in my mind it all comes back to money. Some schools have it we don't.
It's apples and oranges to compare the payroll and budgets of a P5 team, in a conference with it's own TV network, to a FCS school. A legit comparison would between FCS programs.

Are the assistants here paid comparable to IL St, Richmond, James Madison, Montana, etc? I honestly don't know.
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Pretty sure that he was comparing Salmon's 90K salary to Polasek's 150K salary at NDSU.
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It's apples and oranges to compare the payroll and budgets of a P5 team, in a conference with it's own TV network, to a FCS school. A legit comparison would between FCS programs.

Are the assistants here paid comparable to IL St, Richmond, James Madison, Montana, etc? I honestly don't know.
Uh? I'm saying our coaches leave here to go to places that pay more. I'm not comparing anything. Many people come on here saying coaches leave because of problems within the staff. I'm saying our success rate of hiring good people leads to them going to places which can pay more.

As far as comparing apples to apples: JMU FCS 2016 National Champions (this information is from the official website)

James Madison University competes in the NCAA I (Colonial Athletic Association) and performs on and off the field. Ranked #201 in our overall Best Colleges ranking, James Madison University has a Learfield Score of 59.
James Madison University competes in 16 sports and has a total of 518 student athletes: 215 men and 303 women.
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Uh? I'm saying our coaches leave here to go to places that pay more. I'm not comparing anything. Many people come on here saying coaches leave because of problems within the staff. I'm saying our success rate of hiring good people leads to them going to places which can pay more.

As far as comparing apples to apples: JMU FCS 2016 National Champions (this information is from the official website)

James Madison University competes in the NCAA I (Colonial Athletic Association) and performs on and off the field. Ranked #201 in our overall Best Colleges ranking, James Madison University has a Learfield Score of 59.
James Madison University competes in 16 sports and has a total of 518 student athletes: 215 men and 303 women.
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James Madison is also the single highest subsidised program in all of D1

The most recent numbers - from USA Today's database for NCAA spending - shows they have expenses, and revenue, of 44,825,701. They received $35,837,395 in subsidy. Let me type that out so the massiveness of that hits you - THIRTY FIVE MILLION EIGHT HUNDRED THIRTY SEVEN THOUSAND THREE HUNDRED NINETY FIVE of their 44 million dollar budget is from subsidy. That is 79.95% of their budget. Which is also very nearly the highest % of budget subsidized in the nation.

That's the most in the country. Only one other school is over 30 million - Air Force.

Add 24 million dollars to UNIs athletic budget and you get an idea of the impact that would/could/does have. Or, to phrase it another way. In terms of % of budget subsided while keeping the same budget at UNI - UNI would get an extra 7.5 million dollars from subsidies.

Want to know where those subsidies come from?

They get $35,287,957 from student fees. Yep. Their financial aid site is very selective with what they share and what they show. It's difficult to find a true fee break down. From what I can tell each student pays about $1,700 directly to athletics as part of their tuition. Their student fees tied directly to athletics has more than doubled since 2005 when it was just at 17,000,000

Where as at UNI it's something like $200 per student and getting above that level is almost impossible. In 2015 UNI got $1,995,455 in student fees. In 2005 it was 1,111,067.

Think about that. Just actually sit there and think about that for a bit
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What is exactly stopping the University from increasing these student fees, heck if you made them $500 dollars that would help our athletic programs immensely. Furthermore I don't think that an extra $300 dollars a year would deter many students from coming here.
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What is exactly stopping the University from increasing these student fees, heck if you made them $500 dollars that would help our athletic programs immensely. Furthermore I don't think that an extra $300 dollars a year would deter many students from coming here.
Agree 100%. When I was a student, I didn't like the increases we saw either. However, looking at athletic budget increases instead of just tuition increase is different from my perspective. If we would have been told our athletic department "donations," if you will, would double, I initially probably Would have hesitations. However, if I thought about it enough, I would see the entertainment value that was involved in this and be OK with the price increase. I know athletics helps elevate our university's name recognition, but it also helps with entertainment options available on the athletic side and otherwise. More money should equal better facilities, coaching, and players. I, in turn, get to be entertained by those better facilities, either athletically or otherwise, as well as the teams involved. It is part of the college experience and I'm okay doing a bit more to improve my options. It's great for the community, but it's also rewarding for the student. Comparably, how much does the average student spend on other entertainment available locally? What's the difference in costs between these? Is there a way to look at the average entertainment ROI? Also, does the $200 fee above include the GBDPAC activities or any of the other "arts-related" activities on campus?
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What is exactly stopping the University from increasing these student fees, heck if you made them $500 dollars that would help our athletic programs immensely. Furthermore I don't think that an extra $300 dollars a year would deter many students from coming here.
Student government has long fought, harder than any other fight, against student fee increases of even a penny. I get not wanting to add more to student debt, but we could completely "cut off" general fund money in a few short years with a relatively simple fix.

The BOR has mandated to President Nook that increasing enrollment is very high on the list of things to do, if not number 1. I agree. UNI needs to get to 15K, minimum. If we could find a way to push to 20K it would be even better, but let's focus on 15,000.

Right now UNI students pay about $160 per year in athletic fees. That simple math is the 1.9m in fees divided by 12,000 students enrolled. Adding 3,000 more students, at the same fee structure, takes us to 2.4m in fees. That's not a huge number, but it's a start.

Now, at 15,000 students if we moved to $400 (still a pretty damn low student fee compared to every other university in D1) we would have generated $6,000,000 in revenue. That is an extra 4.1 million over what we are generating now. Getting to $6,000,000 in student fees gets us off of general fund money completely, which is currently about $4,300,000. It also doesn't really move us up, or down, in terms of % subsidized either, which is nice.

That doesn't increase our budget, but it would give our athletic department the ability to go "Look, our university is paying for itself which is what you always wanted. Now back the hell off of all of your threats and start helping us in ways we need the help." Potentially allocating that $4.3m into the academic side. That would make them happy and would potentially open up some university money for athletics.

UNI enrollment has dropped pretty hard the last decade. We absolutely need to get enrollment to a minimum of 15,000 to start to "increase" university health, though.

A better comp would be Illinois State. They are a very, very, similar institution. The most recent numbers have them at 9.8m in student fees. That breaks down to about $500 at student. They have increased their enrollment, massively, over the last decade or so. They are now over 21,000 students. Not only are they increasing enrollment, they are attracting better students in the process. They are adding about 400-500 more students every year the last half decade to decade. The state of Illinois is broke, and about to start shutting universities down. Illinois State is about the only one not worried. They've been strategically building for a while. They are almost exactly the model we need to take.

Based on what I'm reading, Nook is wanting a similar approach. He seems to be very pro-athletics and has said that the university will grow through, and because of athletics. I won't be shocked to see a student fee increase debated/enacted in the next year or two. Especially if/when WSU leaves the Valley. I would believe Nook/Harris would be doing everything they can to look at new homes as well. That will mean an increased budget and student fees will need to play a big part in that in some fashion.

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When was the last time student fees were increased? Has it kept up with the tuition and board increases? I think I know the answer already...
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#MACtion

Brings back Big Ten Money at double the rate Iowa has paid us
Gets us a slice of their ESPN contract
Football travel is actually better

Weekday football sucks, but we don't draw anything anyway and this might give it a shot in the arm and its only November where there isn't much tailgating atmosphere anyway.

We could move to the MAC today and be the best MBB program, the best VB program and be top 3 in Track, WBB and Softball, not to mention they actually sponsor wrestling where we're already top 2.
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Doesn't the BOR essentially consider student fees the same as general university support? I mean subsidizing Athletics is subsidizing. I don't think they really care if it's student fee bucket or others it's still out of the University bucket.

https://tuition.uni.edu/17-18-undergrad-tuition-fees
Does all of the student activity fee go to athletics? $59.50/semester

If there's 13,000 students that's over $1.5 Million already.

Isn't that nearly the same amount of money that the PSC raises each year? We have 113,000 Alumni and I don't know how many fans and their combined contributions now equals that of 13,000 students?

I don't think the students are who we should lean on for more $$.
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Brings back Big Ten Money at double the rate Iowa has paid us
Gets us a slice of their ESPN contract
Football travel is actually better

Weekday football sucks, but we don't draw anything anyway and this might give it a shot in the arm and its only November where there isn't much tailgating atmosphere anyway.

We could move to the MAC today and be the best MBB program, the best VB program and be top 3 in Track, WBB and Softball, not to mention they actually sponsor wrestling where we're already top 2.
More and more I'm totally on board with the MAC. We already don't draw much for crowds. Hell maybe weekday games would be different enough to not matter all that much. SELL BEER! vastly improve the food options, no reason to tailgate just get in the dome early and enjoy!

When the weather is nice, Have outdoor areas around the dome (especially between dome and McLeod Center) where you are already scanned in and can buy food/drink and hangout before the game.

Maybe we can contract both Iowa and ISU every year at double the guarantee? IDK how many tickets we get to those games but one of the options could be UNI season tickets that also include the FBS road game or games.
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