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Old 11-22-2015, 07:12 PM   #36
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is it really a coaching carousel?
McCarney was head coach for 12 years there.
Chizik was there only 2 seasons, but he wasn't fired, he just took another job (and I don't think anyone is going to turn down the Auburn job to stay at Iowa State).
This was Rhoades' 7th season there.
The new guy will be their 4th HC in 10 seasons. IMO that is a revolving door.

And every know pretty much knew Chizik was on his way out when took the Auburn job. It was sort of like when Greg Mc$ left ISU for Creighton. Both times cyclone fans celebrated.
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The new guy will be their 4th HC in 10 seasons. IMO that is a revolving door.

And every know pretty much knew Chizik was on his way out when took the Auburn job. It was sort of like when Greg Mc$ left ISU for Creighton. Both times cyclone fans celebrated.
Depends how you look at it.
Since 1995 ISU has only had 4 head coaches.
That's probably average if not less coaches than most for P5 schools.
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Grambling had three coaches in one season.
not that that really has anything to do with this thread, other than another instance of a dumpster fire.
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Grambling had three coaches in one season.
not that that really has anything to do with this thread, other than another instance of a dumpster fire.
That was pretty bad. The players pretty much refused to even play for one of them if I am remembering this correctly. Just within the last few years?
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Eddie Robinson's not the coach at Grambling anymore?
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That was pretty bad. The players pretty much refused to even play for one of them if I am remembering this correctly. Just within the last few years?
2013, and they had one game that was forfeit b/c the players refused to play
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2013, and they had one game that was forfeit b/c the players refused to play
I'm shady on the details, but what were the issues? Pretty sure part of it was the coach being a total a****** but I also seem to remember some other issues being a part of it.

Edit: Found it! Issues with the coach (and the firing of the previous one), transportation arrangements and poor facilities.

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I'm shady on the details, but what were the issues? Pretty sure part of it was the coach being a total a****** but I also seem to remember some other issues being a part of it.
This pretty much covers it: http://www.npr.org/sections/codeswit...ts-budget-woes
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Umm, yeah, this was a knee jerk reaction to yesterday's game. Try the final straw after three terrible years record wise and a series of questionable coaching decisions. You shouldn't comment if you don't follow things closer than that. Just adds to your reputation and you wonder why.
But, he was a coaching genius just a mere two to three seasons ago. What changed?
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Just remember Ban is the one who wanted Coach Jake fired for losing a Sweet 16 game. That is the first and only time since he's emerged from the womb that a coach has ever deserved to be fired.
FALSE!!!! PLEASE document for folks on here where I said that he should be fired after that game.

Being that I already know what your search will yield, what's your motivation for lying about me? Please explain to the board.
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Shouldn't this talk of a "revolving door" shed some light on my point that I've made on here for years about coaches and just exactly how much responsibility that they have (yet, I'm made to look the one who is mad)?

Why is it that ISU has to fire every coach in just a few years, even after some are instantly hailed as geniuses (Rhodes)? Is there possibly more at play here than someone who sits on the sidelines and doesn't actually ever enter the game to play?

Just a thought, as Stewart Smalley (or whatever the boo-yah's guy name on Sportscenter was)...

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Eddie Robinson's not the coach at Grambling anymore?
He past away couple years ago. Doug Williams former Redskins qb took over for him til he was fired.
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Yeah I knew that, hence the emoticons. It is weird for some of us of a certain age though, I mean he was the coach there my entire life, until I got old.
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He past away couple years ago. Doug Williams former Redskins qb took over for him til he was fired.
Hence, the emoticons.

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Shouldn't this talk of a "revolving door" shed some light on my point that I've made on here for years about coaches and just exactly how much responsibility that they have (yet, I'm made to look the one who is mad)?

Why is it that ISU has to fire every coach in just a few years, even after some are instantly hailed as geniuses (Rhodes)? Is there possibly more at play here than someone who sits on the sidelines and doesn't actually ever enter the game to play?

Just a thought, as Stewart Smalley (or whatever the boo-yah's guy name on Sportscenter was)...
1. No one has called anyone a genius. Stop saying it and quoting it unless you can back it up.

2. That's the late great Stuart Scott. I get you're trying to act like you don't care and you're edgy because you're way out of touch with the major sports, but get the name right. Seem's a bit tasteless that you act like his name isn't even worth knowing.
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1. No one has called anyone a genius. Stop saying it and quoting it unless you can back it up.

2. That's the late great Stuart Scott. I get you're trying to act like you don't care and you're edgy because you're way out of touch with the major sports, but get the name right. Seem's a bit tasteless that you act like his name isn't even worth knowing.
OK, folks sure talked highly of Rhodes after that one year, didn't they? As I said before, exaggerated and over simplified "fixes" should expect exaggerated responses and replies.

Friends of the Scott family, are we? Save us the manufactured "outrage."
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Didn't know I had to be "friends of the family" to show some simple respect for the deceased. Nice one Ban. Keep it classy.
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Depends how you look at it.
Since 1995 ISU has only had 4 head coaches.
That's probably average if not less coaches than most for P5 schools.
Not for winning programs....
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People tend to judge the coach on this year's wins and losses. However, I judge a coach by whether I think he can help the team next year. I really like what Rhoads has done in terms of recruitment, especially JUCOs. I would have loved to see what they could do next season with most of the recruits who will still be there. I can't imagine that a new coach will be able to come in and do that much next year. Oh well.
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Depends how you look at it.
Since 1995 ISU has only had 4 head coaches.
That's probably average if not less coaches than most for P5 schools.
True. I guess I'm focusing on more recent history.

And I would also note about half of all coaching changes are the result of coaches leaving for greener pastures after having tremendous success at the former school. That's never happened in modern ISU football history. They fire or mutually part ways with every single coach.
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Not for winning programs....
You'd be surprised.

Here are some notable P5 teams and how many coaches they've gone through in the last 2 decades. (Not counting interim coaches)

Louisville - 6
Kentucky - 6
North Carolina - 6
Pitt - 6
Indiana - 6
Kansas - 6
Nebraska - 5
Arizona - 5
Stanford - 5
UCLA - 5
Minnesota - 5
Alabama - 5
Arkansas - 5
Florida - 5
Illinois - 5
Ole Miss - 5
Baylor - 5
Wisconsin - 5
Oregon St - 5

There are only a handful of teams that have had 3 or less head coaches in the last 2 decades. ISU having 4 is average. You can't judge a program based on how many coaches they go through. Some of those winning programs will go through more coaches just because you have less time to win. That's one thing ISU can sell, is job security. They won't be chasing you out of town in 2 years if you haven't won 8+ games.
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FALSE!!!! PLEASE document for folks on here where I said that he should be fired after that game.

Being that I already know what your search will yield, what's your motivation for lying about me? Please explain to the board.
Where was the big emergency last week with the quarterbacks, given ONE GAME? I just gave the numbers, and, compared to the night of hurling up prayers from the three point line, and there's no comparison.

Yes, the coach is RARELY solely responsible, but on that evening, the coach was solely responsible for not stopping those players from continuing to throw up long range three point shots that no one was hitting. That is ONE INSTANCE where a coach can clearly be held accountable, and he did nothing to coach those guys to shoot high percentage shots. Yes, a coach can bench a quarterback, but if the quarterback makes a good pass and it gets intercepted, that's not on the coach at all.

Come on, boys! We got another big ol, BOO-YAH in us, don't we?!



Please explain the underlined statement in bold above that you posted in the UNI vs. NDSU thread. How do you hold a coach accountable who is under contract? I think the same way ISU just held Paul Rhodes accountable.

I know you will say that wasn't your intent and not what you meant. You only meant he should have his raise rescinded and his whistle taken away for the 1st month of practice.
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People tend to judge the coach on this year's wins and losses. However, I judge a coach by whether I think he can help the team next year. I really like what Rhoads has done in terms of recruitment, especially JUCOs. I would have loved to see what they could do next season with most of the recruits who will still be there. I can't imagine that a new coach will be able to come in and do that much next year. Oh well.
Rhoads' problem was he waited 2-3 years too long to start bringing in more JUCO's. That's how KSU got so good under Snyder.
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can we all agree that Iowa State HC is NOT a good job.
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True. I guess I'm focusing on more recent history.

And I would also note about half of all coaching changes are the result of coaches leaving for greener pastures after having tremendous success at the former school. That's never happened in modern ISU football history. They fire or mutually part ways with every single coach.
I really have no idea, but it seems that may be more common at schools on the FCS level or G5 programs. I would think most coaches lose their jobs due to lack of wins or cheating on the P5 level.
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can we all agree that Iowa State HC is NOT a good job.


Lakes, you are working too hard. You must think your coach will actually consider it.
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can we all agree that Iowa State HC is NOT a good job.
Money talks. It's certainly not an attractive job from a recruiting and schedule stand point. It is an attractive job from a facilities, fan support, and job security stand point. Toss in a few million dollars and somebody will jump at the chance. After its all said and done, ISU will have paid Rhoads ~$20 million not bad for getting fired after 7 seasons.
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Kind of hard to turn down an offer for 5x or 7x guaranteed for 4-6 years. I'd take the ISU HC job for half what Rhodes was paid.

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I think Rhoads is a hell of a recruiter. Look at what he has in guys like Warren, Lazard, etc...

However this season has shown that he is not a reliable guy to lead a team through the Big XII. He got his guys fired up and playing great for the 1st half of most of their games only to fall flat on their faces in the 2nd half, most notably these past 2 games. Yesterday was a great example of a coach losing a game. Kneel the damn ball and you win the game.
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Where was the big emergency last week with the quarterbacks, given ONE GAME? I just gave the numbers, and, compared to the night of hurling up prayers from the three point line, and there's no comparison.

Yes, the coach is RARELY solely responsible, but on that evening, the coach was solely responsible for not stopping those players from continuing to throw up long range three point shots that no one was hitting. That is ONE INSTANCE where a coach can clearly be held accountable, and he did nothing to coach those guys to shoot high percentage shots. Yes, a coach can bench a quarterback, but if the quarterback makes a good pass and it gets intercepted, that's not on the coach at all.

Come on, boys! We got another big ol, BOO-YAH in us, don't we?!



Please explain the underlined statement in bold above that you posted in the UNI vs. NDSU thread. How do you hold a coach accountable who is under contract? I think the same way ISU just held Paul Rhodes accountable.

I know you will say that wasn't your intent and not what you meant. You only meant he should have his raise rescinded and his whistle taken away for the 1st month of practice.
You said this, "Just remember Ban is the one who wanted Coach Jake fired for losing a Sweet 16 game. That is the first and only time since he's emerged from the womb that a coach has ever deserved to be fired."

Now, in the quote that you provided, did I say anything about wanting to see him fired?

Why do you lie to the forums? Please explain.

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Most fans are expecting 6 wins/season. Which could have been hit this season, even with one of the toughest schedules in the nation.
Horrible coaching decisions cost ISU the Toledo, Okie St, and KSU games. Win those three games and ISU is sitting at 6 wins. Win two of them and they are playing for 6 wins next weekend at WVU.

And if you're happy with a bowl birth every 5 years and a bowl win every decade, then I'm glad you aren't ISU's AD. Even Rhoads made it to 3 bowls in 7 years with a win, and that got him fired. ISU has the facilities, fan support, and money to win 6-7 games/year. It just depends how much they are willing to spend.
Fair enough, I guess we just have different expectations of ISU which is understandable given our respective loyalties.

From an outsiders perspective I look at the fact Rhoads is responsible for 33% of the bowl births in the entire history of ISU football and get a bit skeptical at the notion a new coach will achieve significantly better results. I'll admit a bowl win every 10 years might have been a little pessimistic given the number of invites in the modern FBS system (even though it would actually be an improvement over ISU's historical average). Let me just say watching the cyclones win more than one post season game every 5 years would be a big surprise to me and a huge step forward for the program.
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Didn't know I had to be "friends of the family" to show some simple respect for the deceased. Nice one Ban. Keep it classy.
And nor did I know that when one doesn't know the last name of a deceased person that it is some apparent show of disrespect.
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You'd be surprised.

Here are some notable P5 teams and how many coaches they've gone through in the last 2 decades. (Not counting interim coaches)

Louisville - 6
Kentucky - 6
North Carolina - 6
Pitt - 6
Indiana - 6
Kansas - 6
Nebraska - 5
Arizona - 5
Stanford - 5
UCLA - 5
Minnesota - 5
Alabama - 5
Arkansas - 5
Florida - 5
Illinois - 5
Ole Miss - 5
Baylor - 5
Wisconsin - 5
Oregon St - 5

There are only a handful of teams that have had 3 or less head coaches in the last 2 decades. ISU having 4 is average. You can't judge a program based on how many coaches they go through. Some of those winning programs will go through more coaches just because you have less time to win. That's one thing ISU can sell, is job security. They won't be chasing you out of town in 2 years if you haven't won 8+ games.
A large majority of those are not winning programs. The ones that are, lost their coach to the NFL. To try & put the clowns into this camp is a joke. They don't come anywhere into the stratosphere against these programs.
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Money talks. It's certainly not an attractive job from a recruiting and schedule stand point. It is an attractive job from a facilities, fan support, and job security stand point. Toss in a few million dollars and somebody will jump at the chance. After its all said and done, ISU will have paid Rhoads ~$20 million not bad for getting fired after 7 seasons.
This is traditionally one of the worst FBS coaching jobs in the U.S. The stuff you mentioned is simply what is needed to be in the FBS so nearly all schools have that. There are a ton of open jobs so look for another rerun performance from the Clowns in their search.
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This is traditionally one of the worst FBS coaching jobs in the U.S. The stuff you mentioned is simply what is needed to be in the FBS so nearly all schools have that. There are a ton of open jobs so look for another rerun performance from the Clowns in their search.
One of the worst jobs in FBS no.... They are certainly far down the list of most attractive power 5 jobs but it's certainly not at the bottom of FBS.
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